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barndoors
1 year ago
you could install on mint to demo/save the headache of full install. iirc you can change your DE from the login screen
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@barndoors thanks!! i've heard that too!! that's why i said might because i'm not sure which i'm gonna choose yet
discopotato2
1 year ago
you can test out kubuntu in a virtual machine with VirtualBox. Can give u a chance to try out the desktop environment without wiping ur PC again :)
ppaaiinnttkkiilleerr
1 year ago
Shy $500 atm, recently employed and able to pay back over time, can't thank you enough for the share! <3
aredia
1 year ago
I switched to linux mint and honestly after a week of adapting I am fully in preference to it. Lol
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
If you think you might need any Windows programs, dual boot. Wine and virtual machines aren't really reliable. None of the things I wanted ran in WINE, hence ww
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
...hence why I'm going to have two separate computers, one for personal on Mint and one for work on Windows. hit enter too soon and you can't edit comments
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@draggianuniverse thanks for the advice. i don't have any windows-specific programs i need rn, but i'm considering it, just in case i need any for the future
lakestheguy
1 year ago
dont worry about it. i'm just glad to have so many people on here supporting me
adornesibley
1 year ago
" the internet will never be free if we live in a society that cares more about profit than people's lives." true facts...
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
See, the part I find funny is that politicizing everything you do is in itself a modern web invention, mostly from Tumblr. I find the whole notion that "making a Neocities is resistance" to be pretentious, factually incorrect, and cheapening actual resistance. Because ultimately, it's a hobby. It's no more inherently advocacy than drawing or writing. (See my rant about the Linux fandom on my thoughts archive.)
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
Treating it as inherently resistance-y ends up scaring off folks who'd rather not be politicized against their will and encouraging folks being stuck up without actually doing anything. And really, the whole thing is "look at how virtuous I am" which is in itself an algorithmic social media BS move. Hence why I don't have a "manifesto" for this site and refuse to be called part of any "movement" I don't call myself.
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
'Cause, well, it isn't. Using FOSS software, or making your own site, or drawing, or writing fanfic, can be incorporated into resistance (TM), but they're not inherently that. They're hobbies. They're fandoms. And as long as we pat ourselves on the back for doing them, they're never going to be anything more.
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@draggianuniverse i meant it more in a "joy is an act of resistance" type way. but you have a point. granted my feelings on the politicization of everything is complicated. because i do feel like there are political aspects to everything but also idc if someone enjoys a show with "bad political messaging" because the fact is most shows do & it's ok to wanna just enjoy shit
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
What I was going to say before Neocities had a server outage or something was that the whole thing just stings of insecurity. It's like folks don't feel okay just liking things for fear of being deemed "problematic" so they have to make up some BS about it being revolutionary, which is factually incorrect and just no fun.
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
And then you get folks joining "indie web" stuff BECAUSE it's trendy or a movement or w/e, which kind of negates the whole point of not doing algorithmic shit in the first place. If you take your 0 nuance Tumblr political takes to Neocities with you, you're not really addressing the core reason that the whole "movement" (which isn't) exists.
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
And ultimately, I don't think the politicization of everything has accomplished anything except making people feel bad for liking things and reducing spaces people can have reasoned discussions without someone jumping down their throat. Really, I'm of the opinion that no Tumblr / Neocities "advocacy" in the form of hot takes has ever helped anyone.
draggianuniverse
1 year ago
You're right that there are political aspects to everything, and there's a need for spaces to talk about that. But there's also a need for spaces where folks can legitimately decompress, and I think treating the "indie web" as a movement just robs it of that potential while not actually helping anybody, because ultimately it really isn't an act of resistance in any meaningful sense. It's just a hobby and that's ok.
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@draggianuniverse yeah it kinda reminds me. i have a problem when people take their shipping discourse baggage and put it on their website. like they can do what they want, but ultimately shipping discourse isn't that deep, or at least as deep as it's made out to be
proletarian-library
1 year ago
wow nice (1) nobody is meant to be a revolutionary, how political you make things is determined by your conditions of life and your personal choices (2) antagonizing apolitical people can be an effective political tactic, even if it turns them against you (3) never been on tumblr and I'm so fucking thankful for that (4) unfortunately neocities is work for me, I always come back to it out of necessity, not fun (see 1)
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@proletarian-library 1. that is true. i just think it's a problem that capitalism forces us to be. 2. i think draggan is mostly talking abt people who KNOW their lives are political but want a moment to forget abt that. that said i get what you're saying. 3. lol as you should be. 4. that's also true. some ppl make their site for educational purposes rather than fun & that should be acknowledged too
limovars
1 year ago
wrt 2. if not everyone is living in a world without pain, nobody should be allowed a moment of peace. it's a controversial take but slowly it is starting to make more sense.
limovars
1 year ago
also agree that this corner of the internet cannot be the only resistance we do. "joy is an act of resistance" is a phrase thrown around so much it seems to have lost all meaning
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@limovars i can see your perspective. i just think that unless you're gonna use your suffering to aliviate theirs, there's no point in adding more suffering. but i can get why "ignoring the problem" is a problem itself
d60010
1 year ago
wait the use of nostalgia and the internet has literally been on my mind so much lately and i actually recently started reading scorched earth by jonathan crary and i haven't finished it yet but the first chapter talks a lot about the false narrative of the early internet being this revolutionary, anti-capitalist/commercial place when it really wasn't(in the way that people think it was)
d60010
1 year ago
and how even then but especially now, over emphasis on using the internet as a channel of resistance is actually very detrimental to revolutionary efforts because of how it saps peoples will to act in more meaningful ways.
d60010
1 year ago
also i feel like many people are calling for a return to the old internet thinking it will somehow solve the problems of rampant commodification and monetization we have rn but i think of the internet as basically like digital land as in it's all owned by somebody like there's no real free spaces or commons. even here on neocities, it only exists because one person allows it to exist and it can disappear at any time.
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@d6001 yeah that makes sense. after all geocities was owned by yahoo at one point right? like we shouldn't rely too much on the internet, since as much as it can educate ppl, it can also demotivate & misinform them
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@d6001 plus like you said, there's still question of "ownership". the only way to truly own your own space is self-hosting & that costs money
oldkidz-newblockz
1 year ago
can i see what type of trolls those are? i havent been affected (yet) but many say they were. tho i am not that big or popular "fish", really, thatd be my guess. / hopes you are alright and sorry i was so brush, it is just that i deny myself to be engulfed on nostalgia/* and at times, i "let people enjoy things", yet, if that can (seemingly) hurt them or make them be seen as naive, it take a restrain to not yell*...
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@oldkidz-newblockz it's alright. it was just poor timing. a lot of the trolls were spamming the n word & saying other blatantly offensive stuff like about raping minorities & slurs for trans ppl
badgraph1csghost
1 year ago
bob ross has a certain friendly, supportive aura that no one can duplicate, but for serious art instruction, i prefer "landscapes through time" with david dunlop. can't find it anywhere tho which is a little disappointing :(
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@badgraph1csghost noted. i'll add that to my watchlist. hopefully you'll be able to find it tho
lakestheguy
1 year ago
@badgraph1csghost update: i think i found the guy's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC7ND6F1OJp8SX9HR0OkWwlQ
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when I installed mint, I just used etcher which took a while but didn't have any real problems for me. got it from the install guide docs > https://etcher.balena.io/
if you use multiple isos to install different stuff, ventoy is really convenient ! you install it onto a flash drive and then all you need to do is drag and drop isos, then you just select the one to boot into from a menu! (it actually is rly convenient even if you dont use multiple oses bc you can put diagnostic stuff on there like memtest as well)
thanks to you both but @draggian i already used balena. it's just that my iso file got corrupted while downloading
if it got corrupted, try downloading it from a different mirror, then check the SHA-256 hash. if it corrupts again, the hash will corrupt too. (you can check hashes manually with 7-Zip if you don't want to download more software)
I second the suggestion of checking the hash, especially when using Mint. It is a popular distro, so hacked copies have been passed around before. https://www.zdnet.com/article/hacker-hundreds-were-tricked-into-installing-linux-mint-backdoor/
@badgraph1cs @letslearn thanks. i already have software installed for that bc someone told me the same thing