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the Neoities maintainer person Kyle wants to put AI into the code editor. God knows what else AI is going to do - i didn't see any warranty of our sites not to get scraped so far. Read more about that here [https://ai-petition.neocities.org] and sign the petition, please. I don't want one of the last OK places of the internet to fall like that.
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So apparently the Neoities maintainer person Kyle wants to put AI into the code editor. God knows what else AI is going to do - i didn't see any warranty of our sites not to get scraped so far. Read more about that here [https://gremlin.nekoweb.org/blog/10-15-24] and sign the petition, please. I don't want one of the last OK places of the internet to fall like that.
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bytemoth
1 year ago
It's not a foolproof anti-scraping solution, but we can use robots.txt (and/or meta name=robots tags) to tell the major cloud LLMs to stay off our sites: https://coryd.dev/posts/2024/go-ahead-and-block-ai-web-crawlers/
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tabbygarf
1 year ago
neocities ai will be trained on making the same sadgrl website template over and over
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astrossoundhell
1 year ago
sure, robots.txt is a must, but it doesn't mean a lot. neocities hosts our sites, the data is already there, they don't need to webscrape in order to train. I want a warranty from Kyle that we're not used as training data.
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regarding the AI thing gremlin and i have been talking about: it doesn't sound like the Penelope AI is anything more than an analytical engine; sort of an "autocorrect for your code" type of thing. The problem is that KD hasnt said which API Penelope is based on, so there could easily be a corporate datascraper on the other side of it.
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gremlin
1 year ago
I don't know if it is a scraper involved. However the facts of the matter are that Kyle tried at least twice to add "coding assistants" to neocities despite understanding that AI/ML A: Contributes significantly to climate change and B: The neocities crowd is against this kind of stuff, we came here to avoid some the issues that plauge the modern web
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gremlin
1 year ago
C: Kyle has stated on reddit that the plan is only on hold, it could very well still happen
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gremlin
1 year ago
So for the sake of being fair, Kyle acted pretty shady and could have potentially thought about scraping the data or selling it to AI companies to use BUT so far there is no proof of that so thats not what I am saying.
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gremlin
1 year ago
What there is proof of is coding assistants being added to the neocities text editor! These got added under the guise that they help and assist new webdevs HOWEVER the code produced by "coding assistants" is notorious for presenting code that is way more trouble then it's worth. What this will realistically result in is more lower quality web pages that don't function or require more time to fix then code that you-
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gremlin
1 year ago
Anyways no, it's was not just autocorrect. When it was functional you would ask it a question, it would give a response based off that question.
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Thanks for the follow. I'm going to check out some of your music on bandcamp.
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eastathenaeum
1 year ago
You and your proud 12 buttons. Seriously though, your dedication to this page is inspiring. Clicking around and finding out here is pretty interesting.
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astrossoundhell
1 year ago
Put the new album to the fresh tunes window! [https://elysiantunes.bandcamp.com/album/bad-future-hi-speed-gabba-party] if people are curious
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i truly wish i had a domino's pizza djembe now
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Dear Passenger, thank you for joining us. Universe be with U
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my brain has been occupied by the idea of building a functioning computer out of 74 series logic, no CPU or whatever involved - just for funsies. Which is definitely possible and much easier than a lot of other asinine computer ideas. But even considering that, is it really worth my time?...
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astrossoundhell
1 year ago
Yeah, i know how to make registers and ALU and the control unit etc out of basic logic chips. I can make them. I can make my own assembly language that translates into machine code for that exact abomination. That would be fun! And i know how to do it in good detail! But. WHY exactly would i do it except for to maniacally laugh when it finally works
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astrossoundhell
1 year ago
Fair enough... just thinking if wasting one of my two action slots per day is worth it. BUT i'm pretty sure it is. I'm teaching this shit at a university, and how dare i, if i never built an actual computer
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Listen to my best speedcore album today [https://elysiantunes.bandcamp.com/album/everlasting-thursday]
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badgraph1csghost
1 year ago
mark mothersbaugh would be proud of you (the highest compliment i can think of at the moment)
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Added an anti-ai MOTD right below the intro para. It stays until Kyle speaks up in any capacity. We didn't hear shit since this thing went down, which is suspicious to say the least. I need a guarantee he's not scraping my website for another slop machine. Sign and share the fucking petition. Let's get it to over 100 and then start tagging neocities and Kyle himself in places you can tag at.
I see some places started copying their site to nekoweb. While i understand the urge to do that (and copped my username already, too), i think it's important to keep fighting for this place until the end. I also genuinely think Kyle is an intelligent person and is nearly not as dense as Cool Tech CEOs, and may even listen.
While I understand the frustrations with AI, wouldn't a coding assistant be a good thing for newcomers? People who want to escape the corporate web for more privacy-respecting, liberating alternatives, but don't have the technical knowledge to code from scratch? AI helping folks create a space of their own that's not-for-profit could help bring in a larger demographic.
This "coding assistant" has multiple factors to consider when it comes to it's use. There is the environmental impact, and the quality of the code produced, and the fact that the neocities userbase is one that cherishes the old web.
A website builder tool would be much better suited for the job then AI. There is no need for AI to be here in the first place and only introduces the chance for worse code on web pages.
The environmental aspect is something that Kyle has aknowledged in his blog post yet still went through with trying it. Make of that what you will.
I think that a website builder tool would be really useful. That's something I feel like we could all get behind and doesn't need to integrate AI. Ever used Piczo back in the day? If Kyle wants to expand on ease-of-use web building here, a good free drag-and-drop web builder would be incredible for newcomers who don't know much about coding. :)
that's def the thing about AI tho-- all these other methods, some of them were used for years or decades, all exist and are time-tested and well documented. but someone keeps selling tech CEOs a bill of goods on AI even though it's patently broken in so many places you'd have to be crazy to use it at all.
like, obvs the tech sector doesnt give a shit about the environment (hence strip-mining to make microchips) but you seriously have to spend almost 2ce as much time fixing AI mistakes as you would have just writing code from scratch. it's absolutely the dumbest thing to hit tech since 2010.